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Old 07-09-2008, 01:03 AM   #41
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Thank you~ ^^

a WoW comic page:



and teh High Elf in bigger:

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Old 07-09-2008, 02:46 AM   #42
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woo bloodelf !
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Old 07-14-2008, 06:22 AM   #43
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It's a High Elf. ^^;

Cover done.. and a filler page for some notes I felt were necessary. Also updated page1 and fixed some errors.




WHM robe in memoriam my mithra. :cry:
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Old 07-14-2008, 10:36 AM   #44
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Night elf O_o

But but.. it looks so Bloodelf! :P

Either way looks pretty sexy
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Night elf O_o

But but.. it looks so Bloodelf! :P

Either way looks pretty sexy
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It's a High Elf. ^^;:
I don't know much about WoW because I only tried it for the free month i had, but isn't a high elf what blood elves used to be?
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Old 07-14-2008, 10:50 AM   #46
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Night elf O_o

But but.. it looks so Bloodelf! :P

Either way looks pretty sexy
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It's a High Elf. ^^;:
I don't know much about WoW because I only tried it for the free month i had, but isn't a high elf what blood elves used to be?
hmmm think so... I dunno too much of the lore *hides in corner*
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Old 07-14-2008, 10:55 AM   #47
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Ah, I see. ^^

Well I've alway paid more attention to the lore of games and stuff than anything else. It keeps me interested in the game. I get bored without a good story to keep me going! That's probably why the only game for me is FFXI.
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Ah, I see. ^^

Well I've alway paid more attention to the lore of games and stuff than anything else. It keeps me interested in the game. I get bored without a good story to keep me going! That's probably why the only game for me is FFXI.
hmm well, world of warcraft does have a very... very long lore, its all based upon a book (which is still being written apparently) and the company makes the game revolving around the guys books. I think wow wiki has some/most of the story.

Overall though yeah i liked how FFXi, you have the story pretty much thrown at you so you have to read it, wow is like... "Click here to accept/skip story"
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Old 07-14-2008, 11:18 AM   #49
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Ah, I see. ^^

Well I've alway paid more attention to the lore of games and stuff than anything else. It keeps me interested in the game. I get bored without a good story to keep me going! That's probably why the only game for me is FFXI.
hmm well, world of warcraft does have a very... very long lore, its all based upon a book (which is still being written apparently) and the company makes the game revolving around the guys books. I think wow wiki has some/most of the story.

Overall though yeah i liked how FFXi, you have the story pretty much thrown at you so you have to read it, wow is like... "Click here to accept/skip story"
But that's the thing, it's not presented the same. When you jump into FFXI, and play it you are immersed INSIDE the story. You play through it, and uncover what's next. Games like WoW have lore, but that's about it. The plotline in-game is rather weak, at least until the level i reached it was. That's the major difference I find between them. Lore is a backstory, it all happened in the past, and it's just their way of adding a depth to the game after it's already going. An in-game story progresses as you progress. You get the feeling that you're moving it on.

But that's neither here, nor there. I'm sorry for derailing Sienna! Keep up the wonderful artwork!
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Old 07-14-2008, 11:58 AM   #50
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Ah, I see. ^^

Well I've alway paid more attention to the lore of games and stuff than anything else. It keeps me interested in the game. I get bored without a good story to keep me going! That's probably why the only game for me is FFXI.
hmm well, world of warcraft does have a very... very long lore, its all based upon a book (which is still being written apparently) and the company makes the game revolving around the guys books. I think wow wiki has some/most of the story.

Overall though yeah i liked how FFXi, you have the story pretty much thrown at you so you have to read it, wow is like... "Click here to accept/skip story"
But that's the thing, it's not presented the same. When you jump into FFXI, and play it you are immersed INSIDE the story. You play through it, and uncover what's next. Games like WoW have lore, but that's about it. The plotline in-game is rather weak, at least until the level i reached it was. That's the major difference I find between them. Lore is a backstory, it all happened in the past, and it's just their way of adding a depth to the game after it's already going. An in-game story progresses as you progress. You get the feeling that you're moving it on.

But that's neither here, nor there. I'm sorry for derailing Sienna! Keep up the wonderful artwork!
Long story short, WoW only has a story if you played WC 1-3
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Old 07-14-2008, 12:34 PM   #51
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Ah, I see. ^^

Well I've alway paid more attention to the lore of games and stuff than anything else. It keeps me interested in the game. I get bored without a good story to keep me going! That's probably why the only game for me is FFXI.
hmm well, world of warcraft does have a very... very long lore, its all based upon a book (which is still being written apparently) and the company makes the game revolving around the guys books. I think wow wiki has some/most of the story.

Overall though yeah i liked how FFXi, you have the story pretty much thrown at you so you have to read it, wow is like... "Click here to accept/skip story"
But that's the thing, it's not presented the same. When you jump into FFXI, and play it you are immersed INSIDE the story. You play through it, and uncover what's next. Games like WoW have lore, but that's about it. The plotline in-game is rather weak, at least until the level i reached it was. That's the major difference I find between them. Lore is a backstory, it all happened in the past, and it's just their way of adding a depth to the game after it's already going. An in-game story progresses as you progress. You get the feeling that you're moving it on.

But that's neither here, nor there. I'm sorry for derailing Sienna! Keep up the wonderful artwork!
That's actually kind of wrong. :) I don't consider myself a Warcraft lore-whiz but I have read most of the books/played the games.

Firstly, Warcraft is not a standalone game like FFXI is. Warcraft has a whole universe, like Starwars for example. Firstly there were 3 offline games with expansions before WoW, all with a greatly defined story of their own, which you did become a part of and progressed with. Secondly, there are about 10 books on the lore, from atleast 3 authors I know of, and 2-3 books being written at the moment I think. There are also about 8 comics, a few of them being released to this day. I have to note that all this lore presented in the books can be found in the 3 Warcraft games and WoW.

As for WoW, the story doesn't run on 4-5 remarkable lines like in FFXI (the nation missions and story missions). There are a lot of small quests which are mostly simple in nature, but even these contain their dose of lore. But there are sometimes huge quest chains which usually become a quest of epic proportions, even if they start from a small problem. There's no one big questline for the spine of the story, they're scattered all around, and the reason you might have not seen them is that because they're optional, completing them only awards you exp and some items you WILL replace, so if you outlevel them, there is no incentive to go back.

Through the quests the zones hold all the same things. Like Plaguelands, if you played Warcraft 3 all the memories come back. You see the buildings made by the insane Arthas sprouting all the undead monsters and you remember that in WC3 /you/ built those. Or the Night Elf starting zone through to Ashenvale and Azshara all hold the secrets of the once magic-crazed race and their fall, aka the Sundering. I could go on for a while here. ;)

Furthermore my favourite representation of the lore is in the form of instances, most of the time accompanied by a nice little quest chain. Unfortunately a lot of players don't notice these because they only go for loot. My favourite one, for example is Scholomance with a rich back-story of how a noble family fell for the promises of Kel'thuzad and their manor became one of the biggest sources for the Lich King's army through necromancers.
Sometimes having read the book gives a little bonus to playing the game, but only a few rare cases. Karazhan was actually designed based on the book "The Last Guardian" which introduced Medivh's life, and having read it I noticed a lot of neat details in the instance I haven't before. Gives it a whole new meaning.

Also, since WoW has been out if added a great deal of lore to the WC universe of course. The latest is a great example, Sunwell was introduced through a form of dynamic quests and an instance. EVERYONE had to work on the opening of the Sunwell Plateau gates and in the course of 2-3 months and progressive quests, one of the major villians, Kil'jaeden finally fell, writing a new chapter in lore. Another interesting thing about Sunwell is that they wrapped the lore of a comic released not too long ago into the game, which they are doing with another one at the moment. (that about the missing king of Stormwind)


Sorry for the wall of text, I just become a sadpanda whenever someone calls the story and background of WoW "poor". The fact is that the majority of the userbase just doesn't pay attention to this rich and detailed world. ;) I admit it can feel rather dull when you start playing for the first time and you haven't educate yourself on the earlier WC games, but there are is still a lot of lore hidden in WoW despite the limitations online presentations can face. But reading the books are absolutely unnecessary to get a great experience from the storytelling of WoW.
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Old 07-14-2008, 12:43 PM   #52
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So everyone should go and play them because they're great games.;)

Edit: Oh and about the High Elves.. yes Blood Elves used to be High Elves. I just felt necessary to point that out because while BE are the members of Horde now, the HE are still in the Alliance. A BE being accompanied by a Human (who are in the Alliance) would be rather stupid. :P
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Old 07-14-2008, 01:51 PM   #53
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I didn't say WoW didn't have background though :) I said the storyline is lacking, as in there's no story that ties the game together into a meaningful tale you get to progress through as you play. I mean, there are books about Mech Warrior games! It's pretty common for there to be novels about game-worlds. What i was referring to was the difference between the two. FFXI is it's own story, you start in it, and progress through it. WoW is basically a bunch of small, random quests, and a few chains of quests that have little side stories that really don't influence the game much. The games are made to cater to two totally different types of gamers. While FFXI mainly focuses on the PVE gamers who enjoy a game with a progressive story to unfold, WoW focuses more on the type of gamers who just wanna go out there and slay monsters, and murder people in PvP (Even the PvE servers on WoW are this way, in effect. Just not as many in-the-field-pk's because you have to have your flag up). I'm not saying one is better than the other, just that the style of game is totally different.

I will admit that WoW does have more features that make RP'ing a little interesting. It doesn't have to be all text based, as the towns and taverns and such were all designed (although they're all the same, just with different random clutter and NPC's xD) to accommodate people who wish to roleplay.

FFXI tries to force the story upon you, by making CS's you can't really skip. You can mindlessly press enter, and not read any text, but you can't just skip them. It's because it's a story-driven game. That was what i meant.
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Old 07-14-2008, 03:55 PM   #54
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I like both games and I give the same kind of speeches to WoW players who bash FFXI, I might add. ;)

Yes, the majority of players are the mindless one you explained, which is kind of sad. When someone makes a jab at a famous person from WoW lore in public channels a bunch of people "LUL WO IS DAT" which is kind of sad.
I just tried to say that WoW has a lot to offer even to the story liking people, like myself, it just gets overlooked. I don't like the grinding (just like I didn't in FFXI), and I dislike PVP even more, but the little aspects I find story- or just appearance-wise make the game a great experience I can enjoy. And I don't even roleplay. :)

I don't like when people try to compare the two games because it's like comparing a banana and an orange, that's why I tried to keep my post to WoW exclusively without saying "...as opposing to FFXI...". Unfortunately a lot of my friends from FFXI assume that WoW has no story at all, which is why I took the time to type that post out.
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Old 07-18-2008, 12:15 AM   #55
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It doesn't matter to me that much, because Stargate Worlds is going to put both games to shame anyways! :D I'll admit my inner-geekness, i have no problem with it!

But you need to draw more pictures... I wanna know who "She" is in your comic!
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Old 07-21-2008, 11:58 AM   #56
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I haven't ever played World of Warcraft so I won't join the discussions regarding that.

However, I just had to comment on the fact that I find that Ashes of Efim drawing simply amazing :)
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Old 07-22-2008, 01:56 PM   #57
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Ty. :wink:

I forgot to post the second page. D:



On hold until I finish my commissions. :(
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Draenei look cute in strapless WHM AF dresses! I usually don't like them xD Their legs kinda give my stomach that funny feeling you get when going really fast down hill.
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haha that looks awsome.. the clothes looks like its going to rip apart if she bends over to pickup something O_o
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Draenei look cute in strapless WHM AF dresses! I usually don't like them xD Their legs kinda give my stomach that funny feeling you get when going really fast down hill.
I didnt like them at first...but ive adjusted to their feet and find Draenei really hot now :P And really like the skin tight dress on the draenei :O
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