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Old 06-26-2007, 11:46 AM   #21
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1. Yes the "taru thing" was mentioned to be "removed to be safe" according to the "webhost abuse team". So I removed the obvious easy to find stuff as instructed.

2. Prishe and ampahu (hard to spell) were fine.

3. Currently even the california lawers are undecicive on "if taru are considered loli". According to FFXI description of them classifies taru as a "adultish midget" soorta speaking, but at the same time any random person seeing them would consider it loli ssssooo, that will be awhile.

According to law though of anywhere anything, loli pics are allowed if "not portraied in an obscene or sexual act" Pretty much what you'd see of kids doing on a tv commercial, has clothes on, not showing bra/panties. Swimsuits etc are fine also.

Overall it will probably be awhile for an answer as I also asked for a clarification of what defines a "fictional potrail a loli" also. So seeing as this is, it will be awhile but just to be safe for posters/website obvious loli will be removed.

Above pic looks like a girl in her 18-20's especially for the lenght of hair
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Old 06-26-2007, 12:13 PM   #22
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I did a look into this myself, and this is what I came up with:

Code:
(1)(A) depicts a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct; and
(B) is obscene; or
(2)(A) depicts an image that is, or appears to be, of a minor engaging in graphic bestiality, sadistic or masochistic abuse, or sexual intercourse, including genital-genital, oral-genital, anal-genital, or oral-anal, whether between persons of the same or opposite sex; and
(B) lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value; or attempts or conspires to do so, shall be subject to the penalties provided in section 2252A(b)(1), including the penalties provided for cases involving a prior conviction. 


The term "obscene" means, with respect to a project, that -
(A) the average person, applying contemporary community standards, would find that such project, when taken as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest;
(B) such project depicts or describes sexual conduct in a patently offensive way; and
(C) such project, when taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value.

prurient:
1) having or expressing lustful ideas or desires
2) tending to excite lust; lascivious; lewd
prurient's definition I got from Webster, the rest is strictly from the US Code. There are really only two undefined terms there, one of which is "Sexually explicit conduct" I originally had a definition for that from the US Code, but it was essentially a copy/paste of (2)(A). The other is patently, which more or less means "in a relatively obvious way"

At the same time (I'll try and track down the specific section of the US Code) prepubescent breasts are fine, and don't even need to be censored on TV.

Edit: Found it
It doesn't actually say that, but I imagine it's okay if it isn't "harmful to minors"
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Code:
(F) Material that is harmful to minors. -
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(ii) depicts, describes, or represents, in a manner
patently offensive with respect to minors, an actual or
simulated sexual act or sexual contact, an actual or
simulated normal or perverted sexual act, or a lewd
exhibition of the genitals or post-pubescent female breast;
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Old 06-26-2007, 12:55 PM   #23
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I did a look into this myself, and this is what I came up with:
yes but you have to define what a minor is before it even falls under that which varies by legal jurisdiction. for the most part the parameter begins that the legal age of consent for most jurisdictions for viewing/participating in pornography is 18.

next you must find out if the picture is a representation of someone under the legal age for that jurisdiction. the easiest way to do that is first check with the original artist. if the artist expressly says the work is under the age of 18 then people with the material can be up for being shafted. another way is to look at the character it's based on. if the character is not human its impossible to determine if its a child. even when looking at the character a work is based on the artist can simply decide, "yes this is aphmau... 2 years later."

the law is flawed to its core and totally ineffective unless you seriously go to the feds and physically say, "i have this picture of bla bla bla under the legal age of consent for my jurisdiction. what do you plan to do about it."
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Old 06-26-2007, 03:19 PM   #24
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I made a rather detailed post in the deleted loli thread where I went on an extended rant covering just how ridiculous this law is. That previous research pretty much just covers when you know a character is indeed a minor.

The stupidity of the law comes into the sheer fuzzyness of the unreal. There is no way to tell how old a character is outside of asking the artist, in which just about any conflict could be explained away with "oh, she just looks young and shaves". As you mentioned, if it is not an original work, it can still be explained away with "well, I drew her several years later, and it's just my art style that they look young"

Not only that, but you must begin asking unreal questions when dealing with the unreal, such as is it strictly the age of the mind or body? My own character Fiona appears to be under 18, though I insist she is indeed 18. At the same time she doesn't age, and is actually over 500 years old. Technically, pedo laws are in place to enforce the age of consent, that is, how old you have to be to make responsible, informed decisions concerning your own body. If that's the case, it is strictly the age of the mind, and I can draw as much loli as I want as long as I say "yeah, but she's really 700 years old."

In short, as far as determining if something is loli or not the boundaries are so fuzzy that there really aren't any. I imagine this law will degrade to something that's never actively enforced, and that the only things that would really be considered loli are obviously very young, prepubescent drawings of early childhood. Essentially, loli that appears to contain young children, though teenage will likely not be a problem.

Not quite as much rage as my previous post, but that's the gist of it.
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Old 06-26-2007, 04:55 PM   #25
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lolicon means ur preference is in younger looking or younger women, under the age of 20, preferred to be in thier years of puberty, i.e. if theyre was a sister type of girl and a younger sister type of girl, they would go for the younger sister.
lolicon is kinda like a gay person, they didnt do anything wrong but the media implants a "this is wrong thing" on it and they linked it to otakus and pedophilli-something crime cases.


i dont think this is loli.
some ppl do.
so the law is stupid.
Lol I love you rina.

Anyway, my book of what "classifies" loli:
Characters under the legal age that look like children
Flat chest, no hips.

In rina's picture there's a bit of boobage along with noticeable hips, so it's not loli in my book.

Anime is so varied and diverse that there really is no way to make a single set of rules, let alone be able to enforce those rules upon the entire spectrum. No little grey line here. it's a thin black line on each side with a huge gigantanormous grey rectangle between. them.

I don't like the ultra loli in a sexual manner, but I do find it incredibly funny for some reason.
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Old 06-26-2007, 05:48 PM   #26
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now i dont know much about lolicon, but i DO know a lot about breaking the law. and my advice to you is, keep that shit on the downlow! if ya wana look at lolihentai or whatever... idc, noone on these forums do prolly, theres a pretty basic idea when it comes to a thread that has porn you dont want to look at in it... dont click the link. now, its one thing to make a thread for loli/taru/galka/whatever. its another thing to post an assload of said pictures when someone says they have a distaste for it. i gotta say, when whoever did it did it, made me wanna dig up some waita uziga artwork, because im sure they wouldnt like it. incase you havent noticed yet, if my posts are over a few sentences long they tend to be just random thoughts typed as they come to mind. hopefully you all can see the points im trying to make, tbh i cant remember wtf i was trying to say :wink:

remember kids, breaking the law is good
getting caught breaking the law is bad
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Old 06-26-2007, 06:38 PM   #27
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2. Prishe and ampahu (hard to spell) were fine.
Oh thank god ^.^
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Old 06-26-2007, 09:02 PM   #28
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*waves goodbye to taru porn (or chubby midget porn)* ^.^ -''''
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Old 06-26-2007, 09:13 PM   #29
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But yeah, Im just curious, what did the little jackass that started all this crap do?
i can estimate what happened because its quite a predictable pattern. you just have to think the way a cyber terrorist thinks.

first he frequents various porn boards and sees someone else do the same thing elsewhere. he sees how some people react being thrown into a world of fear by the prospect of a ZOMG, "NEW LAW". eventually he is thwarted or succeeds in rocking the foundation of that porn forum/site. this pest goes even farther. perhaps he msged gulk first and was blown off - did a whois on nekio-sentai.com and started sending emails to gulk's host provider.

this guy scored on this attempt. he found a paranoid, ill informed person at gulk's host. in effect gulk really doesn't have the ability to have an opinion if his host is free/very cheap. so the host over-reacts to being ill informed by a cyber terrorist and all goes to this little internet kim jong-il's plan.

now reality has finally set in for both sides. people are begining to realize the protect act has been in effect for 4 years and legally there is no way to prove that a work of art represents a minor in court. perhaps if the protect act described standards for sexual organ development rather than just blindly using the word "child" something could actually be done, but it doesn't therefore it fails hardcore.

there is no DA in the nation that would prosecute soley based on having lolicon and he'd be grasping at straws to stack charges for animated cp on top of a real pedo. there is only one successful documented case where a real pedo had his sentance increased by stacking lolicon on top of it. RE: United States vs. Dwight Whorley.

1. i hate lolicon. i think you have to be mentally deficient to find it attractive. that is all i have to say and i don't intend to debate this topic. i only said this to clarify where i stand.

2. i hate internet kim jong-il's like 12small expotentially more. he's a hateful punk who needs to be committed to a psychological ward before he bombs an abortion clinic in reality to justify mass murder for his god.

INACURRACIES I SEE FLYING AROUND

1.) the protect act is not a ZOMG, "NEW LAW" it was signed into law April 30, 2003, 2:00 PM EDT. http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...0030430-6.html

2.) there is no law that convitcts you for 10 years for "lolicon". there are no federal task forces to search and seize lolicon on the internet. the word "lolicon" is not written in the protect act. quite simply even if they wanted to the FBI does not have the manpower for such a thing and they don't want to have the manpower for it. they want to bust pedos. i want the FBI to bust pedos. if a pedo has lolicon and that gets him 10 extra years then good show!

3.) the standard for criminalizing a work of art under the protect act is the miller test. in order to get to this point the work of art first must be proven to fall under the protect act. IE: the burden of proof to say the animated model is a child lies on the prosecutor. there is no standard or test to prove that an animated model represents a child yet.

4.) 10 years? not yet. in februrary this year senator john mccain did INTRODUCE a bill which would, among other things, enhance the sentencing procedures for violating the protect act as well as provide additional funding etc to combating cp and cp task forces. has it been passed yet? no. i hope it does get passed. take a look for yourself to see what the bill contains.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquer...:@@@L&summ2=m&
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Old 06-27-2007, 12:12 AM   #30
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Law is unconstitutional, so fuck it.
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Old 06-27-2007, 12:17 AM   #31
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thats why those sort of section you should make them hidden and give access to people you think is worth it give it. but nobody knew was going to happen so its a random thing
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Old 06-27-2007, 01:47 AM   #32
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thats why those sort of section you should make them hidden and give access to people you think is worth it give it. but novody knew was going to happen so its a random thing
Yes that solves the problem.

To the people pissed off at me: Good god man, you act like I went out of my way to ruin your shit. I simply posted a link to the protect act and quoted it.

The law is for ultri loli, none of your shit(Besides maybe taru) would even be effected. For one, I believe that the law is COMPLETELY unconstitutional. It is unbelievably unbelievable for them to censor artwork no matter how "revealing it is.

If it's legal then the abuse team will get back to you with the awnser. If not, then oh well.

edit: I'm not really sure how they classify someone (Something) being a minor. "Short with small breast"? I bet some people are going to be really pissed off when the government claims them to be children. I think the law specifically pointed out "Looks" like a minor.
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Old 06-27-2007, 01:51 AM   #33
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Oh I can't wait to see the replies to this.
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Old 06-27-2007, 01:55 AM   #34
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Oh I can't wait to see the replies to this.
I'm with ya

Let me sum it up for you:
I know I was breaking the law and I don't care! No matter how stupid that law is it doesn't apply to me. I think we should continue to do so! Better yet, just make the illegal section privet, that way no one will report us.

edit2:

I'm not going to fight this, these people act like I, personally submited the law into congress. If it were up to me it wouldn't be here. And you can fight all you want, you can call me what ever names you like, you can bitch, cry, moan, do what ever you're going to do, but at the end of the day it is still:
ILLEGAL
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Old 06-27-2007, 04:49 AM   #35
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I would also like to point out if you're found guilty of lolicon you get an instant 10 years, no questions asked. You break the Protect act - 10 years. You are actually charged with real child porn for having loli of any kind.
you are a liar that seeks to control people through fear. as a person who enjoys about 80% of the content on this board i ask that you please return to being a lurker or just not come at all. your express purpose from the first post has been to disrupt people who are perfectly happy for your own kicks with your lies.
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Old 06-27-2007, 06:08 AM   #36
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Oh I can't wait to see the replies to this.
I'm with ya

Let me sum it up for you:
I know I was breaking the law and I don't care! No matter how stupid that law is it doesn't apply to me. I think we should continue to do so! Better yet, just make the illegal section privet, that way no one will report us.

edit2:

I'm not going to fight this, these people act like I, personally submited the law into congress. If it were up to me it wouldn't be here. And you can fight all you want, you can call me what ever names you like, you can bitch, cry, moan, do what ever you're going to do, but at the end of the day it is still:
ILLEGAL
If you dont care, why did you even say anything? Seriously, if you dont like something just shut up about it and look at something else. I mean c'mon, its HENTAI! It isnt real! Many of the girls in the hentai have no definite age, so you can usually use your imagination on that part. I don't really look at loli, but i know there are people here that like it, and to that I say to each his own. Seriously, if you're gonna bitch about this stuff, then just don't look at hentai
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Old 06-27-2007, 07:35 AM   #37
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just wait for laws to ban u from fantasizing anything thats considered loli, shota or anything else thats considered wrong to anyone. if ur not into loli or other things in hentai why did u even bother going into these threads? go watch real porn or something no matter how illegal something is doesn't stop everyone from doing it. the internet is around the world if someone in another country adds something on the internet thats illegal in the US cant be jailed for those things. of course real Child porn is illegal anywhere but loli is drawn by 30~??? old men/women that they see in their fantasies anyone who claims being influenced to commit rape of real children from these drawings were already messed up to begin with.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Barachiel
Oh I can't wait to see the replies to this.
I'm with ya

Let me sum it up for you:
I know I was breaking the law and I don't care! No matter how stupid that law is it doesn't apply to me. I think we should continue to do so! Better yet, just make the illegal section privet, that way no one will report us.

edit2:

I'm not going to fight this, these people act like I, personally submited the law into congress. If it were up to me it wouldn't be here. And you can fight all you want, you can call me what ever names you like, you can bitch, cry, moan, do what ever you're going to do, but at the end of the day it is still:
ILLEGAL
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Old 06-27-2007, 07:51 AM   #39
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That picture is brilliant on so many levels... T2small, why dont you put it in your sig? d^.^b
Also... have you ever considered ruling a country Luna? We need a ruler that makes laws against stupidity
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That picture is brilliant on so many levels... T2small, why dont you put it in your sig? d^.^b
Also... have you ever considered ruling a country Luna? We need a ruler that makes laws against stupidity
i'd probably have an aneurism within 2 days if i did that
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