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Old 06-25-2007, 07:49 PM   #1
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Default About the "loli" thig etc etc

Its pretty much went from the "abuse team" to lawyers now so... eventually I might actually get an snwer o "what really is loli and what isn't, especially taru. So noo idea when I will get an answer to this.. may be days/weeks seeing as its bouncing around.
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Old 06-25-2007, 08:36 PM   #2
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i thought it was okay as long as theyre setting is 18yrs old + or legal age even if they look like theyre 10.
 
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Old 06-25-2007, 08:47 PM   #3
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i thought it was okay as long as theyre setting is 18yrs old + or legal age even if they look like theyre 10.
I have one response to this....

THIS! IS! AMERICA!!!
...sorry. But yeah, the law tends to be rather subjective and free to interpretation (more frequently in favor of those enforcing it.)
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Old 06-25-2007, 09:14 PM   #4
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i think this thread should be locked >_<
 
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Old 06-25-2007, 09:31 PM   #5
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Oh... Sorry, did I invade? Ill delete my posts if you want me to Gulk
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Old 06-25-2007, 09:58 PM   #6
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Well this is jus basically a "what you feel about it" thread and updat on whats goi on. So far I'm currently waiting for n "official lawyer/federal law" quote that says what is and isn't allowed especially for taru.
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Old 06-25-2007, 10:38 PM   #7
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Its pretty much went from the "abuse team" to lawyers now so... eventually I might actually get an snwer o "what really is loli and what isn't, especially taru. So noo idea when I will get an answer to this.. may be days/weeks seeing as its bouncing around.
move your server host to another country and tell US FU XD damn bush and his damn new laws whats next? ban all Porno from US?
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Old 06-25-2007, 11:05 PM   #8
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Its pretty much went from the "abuse team" to lawyers now so... eventually I might actually get an snwer o "what really is loli and what isn't, especially taru. So noo idea when I will get an answer to this.. may be days/weeks seeing as its bouncing around.
move your server host to another country and tell US FU XD damn bush and his damn new laws whats next? ban all Porno from US?
problem is to finda any form of host that can even mtch anything near what I got :P

sites 18GB and doing about 300GB~400GB a month now, be hard to find a overseas host... unless anyone knows one :P
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Old 06-26-2007, 12:35 AM   #9
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Overseas host would be a big no. This site is picture heavy, and I don't want to wait an additional 0.5 second for hentai to load. And besides, no matter how stupid and/or pointless I or anyone else believes this "anti loli" law to be it's better to abide than to find ways around it just to post some pictures that, in all fairness, simply abound on the internet anyway.

I wasn't around for the start of this fiasco, but did it all begin when that guy came in and started "filling us in?" Or did it start before that?
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Old 06-26-2007, 12:55 AM   #10
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Overseas host would be a big no. This site is picture heavy, and I don't want to wait an additional 0.5 second for hentai to load. And besides, no matter how stupid and/or pointless I or anyone else believes this "anti loli" law to be it's better to abide than to find ways around it just to post some pictures that, in all fairness, simply abound on the internet anyway.

I wasn't around for the start of this fiasco, but did it all begin when that guy came in and started "filling us in?" Or did it start before that?
basically with 1 person, which is all it usualy takes to "mention" it enough to cause possible problems.
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Old 06-26-2007, 01:48 AM   #11
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basically with 1 person, which is all it usualy takes to "mention" it enough to cause possible problems.
One single digit post lurker named t2small for those wondering, who may also go by the name Senoska since according to the "problem with registration" area he apparently has multiple accounts or something and i'm just gonna guess t2small is his sock account.

On the same topic I'm wondering how many pics have been deleted so far. Someone mentioned in the original loli thread I think that they deleted all the prishe pics they'd posted or something, and the new "memory's" doujin has been removed by it's OP due to "recent events".
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Old 06-26-2007, 04:44 AM   #12
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So long as Prishe remains, all will be well.
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Old 06-26-2007, 06:26 AM   #13
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This is why I hate America, all these fucking crybabies are getting their way now.
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Old 06-26-2007, 07:10 AM   #14
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This is why I hate America, all these fucking crybabies are getting their way now.
Woo, Im not the only one bashing america now! I love this thread! d^.^b

But yeah, I have to agree with Barachiel on his Priche statement. Priche is awesome. I could prolly live without the majority of other "loli" though....
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Old 06-26-2007, 07:13 AM   #15
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Can you blame me? With all how much common sense I see people lack it's hard not to hate it.

"OMFG violent video games are corrupting our children?"

How the fuck did they get ahold of them? If they got a TV and the console in their room and they're unsupervised there's the damn problem.
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Old 06-26-2007, 07:15 AM   #16
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I whole heartedly agree with you, the shit pisses me off to no end. Shit, they do it with most anime too, and then make it illegal to fansub or download the good version of it. But yeah, Im just curious, what did the little jackass that started all this crap do?
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Old 06-26-2007, 07:21 AM   #17
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Oh Wiseman? Just some idiot from Cerberus.
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Old 06-26-2007, 11:14 AM   #18
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But yeah, Im just curious, what did the little jackass that started all this crap do?
i can estimate what happened because its quite a predictable pattern. you just have to think the way a cyber terrorist thinks.

first he frequents various porn boards and sees someone else do the same thing elsewhere. he sees how some people react being thrown into a world of fear by the prospect of a ZOMG, "NEW LAW". eventually he is thwarted or succeeds in rocking the foundation of that porn forum/site. this pest goes even farther. perhaps he msged gulk first and was blown off - did a whois on nekio-sentai.com and started sending emails to gulk's host provider.

this guy scored on this attempt. he found a paranoid, ill informed person at gulk's host. in effect gulk really doesn't have the ability to have an opinion if his host is free/very cheap. so the host over-reacts to being ill informed by a cyber terrorist and all goes to this little internet kim jong-il's plan.

now reality has finally set in for both sides. people are begining to realize the protect act has been in effect for 4 years and legally there is no way to prove that a work of art represents a minor in court. perhaps if the protect act described standards for sexual organ development rather than just blindly using the word "child" something could actually be done, but it doesn't therefore it fails hardcore.

there is no DA in the nation that would prosecute soley based on having lolicon and he'd be grasping at straws to stack charges for animated cp on top of a real pedo. there is only one successful documented case where a real pedo had his sentance increased by stacking lolicon on top of it. RE: United States vs. Dwight Whorley.

1. i hate lolicon. i think you have to be mentally deficient to find it attractive. that is all i have to say and i don't intend to debate this topic. i only said this to clarify where i stand.

2. i hate internet kim jong-il's like 12small expotentially more. he's a hateful punk who needs to be committed to a psychological ward before he bombs an abortion clinic in reality to justify mass murder for his god.

INACURRACIES I SEE FLYING AROUND

1.) the protect act is not a ZOMG, "NEW LAW" it was signed into law April 30, 2003, 2:00 PM EDT. http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...0030430-6.html

2.) there is no law that convitcts you for 10 years for "lolicon". there are no federal task forces to search and seize lolicon on the internet. the word "lolicon" is not written in the protect act. quite simply even if they wanted to the FBI does not have the manpower for such a thing and they don't want to have the manpower for it. they want to bust pedos. i want the FBI to bust pedos. if a pedo has lolicon and that gets him 10 extra years then good show!

3.) the standard for criminalizing a work of art under the protect act is the miller test. in order to get to this point the work of art first must be proven to fall under the protect act. IE: the burden of proof to say the animated model is a child lies on the prosecutor. there is no standard or test to prove that an animated model represents a child yet.

4.) 10 years? not yet. in februrary this year senator john mccain did INTRODUCE a bill which would, among other things, enhance the sentencing procedures for violating the protect act as well as provide additional funding etc to combating cp and cp task forces. has it been passed yet? no. i hope it does get passed. take a look for yourself to see what the bill contains.

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Old 06-26-2007, 12:20 PM   #19
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But yeah, Im just curious, what did the little jackass that started all this crap do?
Hard to retell the whole story since the loli thread all the posts were in got deleted.

Pretty mych t2small showed up and for his first post copy/pasted the whole protect act for everyone to read and went on to mention how some guy two years ago got prosecuted for it.

After that gulk contacted the host to ask them and apparently they were as clueless as everyone else and decided to make a new anti-loli rule or something that they're still debating.

During this time i pretty much had an argument with t2small over the whole thing. He kept pointing out this guy from two years ago who went to jail for having loli and I kept pointing out that the guy had previously been convicted for owning child porn and this time had been caught using a government computer in an employment agency to trade kiddy porn, sent lewd emails to little girls, traded explicit emails about sexually abusing children, and all the while broke every rule of his probation.

Now the whole loli scare comes in because he'd also downloaded some loli hentai, so when they slapped him with 74 counts of child pornography they tossed in the hentai under the protect act and we're all supposed to be fearing the feds now.

Apparantly the whole "convicted sex offender trading kiddy porn" fact didn't sink in for t2small so he kept babbling on about the loli being why the guy was arrested and eventually gulk got the first vauge word from the host to remove anything and everything loli.

Somehow all taru material got thrown into the loli pile somewhere. I don't know if this was gulk's decision to be safe, if the host came through and checked a few things or maybe t2small could have even proposed it since everything seems to be stemming from his actions anyway.
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Old 06-26-2007, 12:27 PM   #20
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lolicon means ur preference is in younger looking or younger women, under the age of 20, preferred to be in thier years of puberty, i.e. if theyre was a sister type of girl and a younger sister type of girl, they would go for the younger sister.
lolicon is kinda like a gay person, they didnt do anything wrong but the media implants a "this is wrong thing" on it and they linked it to otakus and pedophilli-something crime cases.
it's fine to think about it as long as u dont realli have sex with those ppl in the lolicon target age. unless it's extreme, but that's just like a normal person with a very very strong obsession with sex, except towards lolicon target range ppl. so that's what a pedo is. see? pedo sounds ALOT worse than lolicon.
lolicon characters are legal age ppl who LOOK like theyre not. so~ some stupid guy says "dur, meh thank loli iz teh cheld pron". so in america, were ppl act before they think, decided that this is bad and "dur steurpid yehlow sken peple baad, USA guuud" and some stupid parents who cant even take care of thier children properly but think they are doing just by supporting a dumb law, banned loli stuff.
and bush is bad but he was put in deep shit when he started so he was already at a minus when he started, and clinton was too good, and the theory of republican aggregate supply and demand curve is supposed to benefit in the long term from huge deficit... so u have to give him some credit, even though i like clinton.
and i think they guy who started the whole mess is concerned because he loves child porn or something and doesnt want to get caught because his whole HD and house is full out if and he's gonna be the new pedo example.
(a reminder: if u have a problem of me bashing on america, i want u to take action by not moving ur fingers, hands or tongue and keeping that thought in ur mind and lock it in deep into ur heart and never to come out :3 )
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