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Old 07-13-2007, 06:54 PM   #1
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Default Buying Gil .. is it really that bad?

I don't understand why it is so bad. Ruling out that they are getting paid for someone elses game yada yada I know all that. But Seriously, Some people do not have the time to be farming all day for 5 hours to get 1 item and sell it right after that.

This Includes me. I work 9 hours a day and sleep 8 hours. that only leaves me with 5 hours of play and I don't feel like spending 5hours farming to have a chance of not getting it or someone else getting it.

I think they should let people do it. Its not like SE is losing any money for it. if they want to make money from it then they should sell gold them selfs. like some internet games do like Dragonfable.com

I think what they should really ban is power leveling.
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Old 07-13-2007, 07:09 PM   #2
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gil sellers are like drug dealers, they screw up the economy, and its a violation of the contract you signed with SE on account registration, if you read threw it it says your not authorized to sell ANYTHING from FFxi or pol, this includes gil, you may think you own ur char, but se only lets you have the privilege of having it, and if you sell the gil for profit thats you selling digital property that belongs to SE and your violating the contract, and that can include fines of up to $500k irl and/or 10 years in prison for digital theft :roll: and if you buy it your just as guilty of stealing from SE as the seller, much like a drug dealer and buyer, both are committing a crime
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Old 07-13-2007, 07:13 PM   #3
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gil sellers are like drug dealers, they screw up the economy, and its a violation of the contract you signed with SE on account registration, if you read threw it it says your not authorized to sell ANYTHING from FFxi or pol, this includes gil, you may think you own ur char, but se only lets you have the privilege of having it, and if you sell the gil for profit thats you selling digital property that belongs to SE and your violating the contract, and that can include fines of up to $500k irl and/or 10 years in prison for digital theft :roll: and if you buy it your just as guilty of stealing from SE as the seller, much like a drug dealer and buyer, both are committing a crime
yea I don't know why I even made this topic. Prob because Im tired and warn out.
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Old 07-13-2007, 10:34 PM   #4
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It really messes things up when people keep buying from them.

Gilsellers inconvieance anyone who's trying to make gil, so that they have to buy from them as well. They use bots, <pos> hacks and anything underhanded like that to make an extra buck.

You can think of it like helping a theif steal. sort of.. in a way. :cry:
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Old 07-13-2007, 11:25 PM   #5
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gil sellers are like drug dealers, they screw up the economy, and its a violation of the contract you signed with SE on account registration, if you read threw it it says your not authorized to sell ANYTHING from FFxi or pol, this includes gil, you may think you own ur char, but se only lets you have the privilege of having it, and if you sell the gil for profit thats you selling digital property that belongs to SE and your violating the contract, and that can include fines of up to $500k irl and/or 10 years in prison for digital theft :roll: and if you buy it your just as guilty of stealing from SE as the seller, much like a drug dealer and buyer, both are committing a crime
you know why isnt allowed? because they are not getting any profit from it.
i think i remember new SE MMO that is free but you buy some items from them and if you want the currency ffzero i think it was?
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Old 07-13-2007, 11:25 PM   #6
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This is actually a somewhat complicated topic, and is akin to "is littering really bad?"

You always hear "Why does just one person littering matter?" and the response is "Well, if everyone did it, we'd live in a pretty crap-filled place."

It's the same general argument. If one person who doesn't have much chance to play buys a mil to get an item he/she would have had to spend weeks getting normally, will it really effect anything? No. However, the trouble comes from other sources than that. If one person buys one thing, it won't really cause any trouble, but if one person buys a lot he begins to have an unfair advantage over others.

If many people buy a little, or if a few people buy a lot, or (how reality sadly is) many people buy a lot, the real trouble begins. The gil sellers have to get that money somewhere. They start mass farming large areas, camping many notorious monsters, and eventually whenever anybody wants to get an item within the normal rules of the game, they're competing with an army of others, making it nigh impossible for normal people to get items that usually wouldn't be a big issue. If people can't get the item, it starts costing more, if it costs more, people need more money, more people buy gil, people hock up prices, the economy goes crazy and you end up paying an insane amount of money for a small item.

Is one person buying a little bit of money because of a bad schedule bad? Not so much. But that isn't the case. As long as anybody buys anything, you give them a reason to come out in swarms and ruin the game for the rest of us.

Sellers aside. Many of us prefer the ingame challenge of getting many items. So we slaved away and saved up the money, or camped an NM for an evening or three, and when we finally got the item it made victory that much sweeter. Not only did we have the item, we earned it. If you buy gil to get the item, there's no challenge. Knowing someone got such an item so easily after we have already slaved away for so long to earn it only ticks us off. Now maybe the buyer had to slave away at their job for three days earning a dollar an hour in a factory to buy that item. In that case they earned it as well, however, the mass majority of buyers don't get their money that way. Many of them earn 10-15 dollars an hour at a nice job, or just mooch it off their parents. In both cases, they were essentially handed the money.

In short, if everyone had to work hard for money, and bought little, it wouldn't be an issue. But many many people spend hundreds of dollars without a care to buy every item within sight. This brings out more sellers, ruining the economy, and ruining the game for others. It's illegal, highly looked down upon, and ruins the game for everyone else.

My two cents, anyway. (How many words was that? Maybe a little more than two cents...)
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Old 07-14-2007, 12:45 AM   #8
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This is actually a somewhat complicated topic, and is akin to "is littering really bad?"

You always hear "Why does just one person littering matter?" and the response is "Well, if everyone did it, we'd live in a pretty crap-filled place."

It's the same general argument. If one person who doesn't have much chance to play buys a mil to get an item he/she would have had to spend weeks getting normally, will it really effect anything? No. However, the trouble comes from other sources than that. If one person buys one thing, it won't really cause any trouble, but if one person buys a lot he begins to have an unfair advantage over others.

If many people buy a little, or if a few people buy a lot, or (how reality sadly is) many people buy a lot, the real trouble begins. The gil sellers have to get that money somewhere. They start mass farming large areas, camping many notorious monsters, and eventually whenever anybody wants to get an item within the normal rules of the game, they're competing with an army of others, making it nigh impossible for normal people to get items that usually wouldn't be a big issue. If people can't get the item, it starts costing more, if it costs more, people need more money, more people buy gil, people hock up prices, the economy goes crazy and you end up paying an insane amount of money for a small item.

Is one person buying a little bit of money because of a bad schedule bad? Not so much. But that isn't the case. As long as anybody buys anything, you give them a reason to come out in swarms and ruin the game for the rest of us.

Sellers aside. Many of us prefer the ingame challenge of getting many items. So we slaved away and saved up the money, or camped an NM for an evening or three, and when we finally got the item it made victory that much sweeter. Not only did we have the item, we earned it. If you buy gil to get the item, there's no challenge. Knowing someone got such an item so easily after we have already slaved away for so long to earn it only ticks us off. Now maybe the buyer had to slave away at their job for three days earning a dollar an hour in a factory to buy that item. In that case they earned it as well, however, the mass majority of buyers don't get their money that way. Many of them earn 10-15 dollars an hour at a nice job, or just mooch it off their parents. In both cases, they were essentially handed the money.

In short, if everyone had to work hard for money, and bought little, it wouldn't be an issue. But many many people spend hundreds of dollars without a care to buy every item within sight. This brings out more sellers, ruining the economy, and ruining the game for others. It's illegal, highly looked down upon, and ruins the game for everyone else.

My two cents, anyway. (How many words was that? Maybe a little more than two cents...)
two cents!?

haha more like 5bucks

But yea I get it already lol

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...every time u even think about being involved in RMT in anyway, some otaku masturbates to ur anime/game/hentai wife. or ur sig or avatar. or ur name.
 
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There's probably some otaku masturbating 24/7
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gil sellers are like drug dealers, they screw up the economy, and its a violation of the contract you signed with SE on account registration, if you read threw it it says your not authorized to sell ANYTHING from FFxi or pol, this includes gil, you may think you own ur char, but se only lets you have the privilege of having it, and if you sell the gil for profit thats you selling digital property that belongs to SE and your violating the contract, and that can include fines of up to $500k irl and/or 10 years in prison for digital theft :roll: and if you buy it your just as guilty of stealing from SE as the seller, much like a drug dealer and buyer, both are committing a crime
I agree 100% and what I don't understand is why it's not against the law.

If you think about it SE owns your character, your inventory, and your gil. So by buying and selling gil you're marketing SE's property, which in reality is against the law, however trying to pin down laws over the internet is very hard.
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Old 07-14-2007, 02:02 AM   #13
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and also RMTs ruin the gaming experience for everyone else.before SE made O-Kote,Leaping boots,Empreror Hairpin rare/ex the RMTs were camping it 24/7 making it nearly impossible to even camp it yourself.and also they drive the rpice of items like Scoprion Harness and Haubergeon way up,again making it nearly impossible to farm the gil needed for it.Personall I believe that if you dont earn it you dont have the right to own it.
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Old 07-14-2007, 02:42 AM   #14
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The worst thing is that, more then likely, if/when you buy gil from a RMT business to buy gear or whatever. The RMT are the ones who are selling that item on the AH, thus you give their GIL right back to them, and then they recover 95% of their gil, put that 5% back and relist that gil to be sold to the next person. Not a bad way to make RL money, but based on the principle of the matter, it is bad.
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Old 07-14-2007, 03:55 AM   #15
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It is bad. It's because of gilbuyers that gilsellers still exist and ruin the game for everyone. If no one bought gil, those chinese pricks would not be here.
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hey, were nothing like them
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Gil sellers just have no life. Drug dealers ruin, and end other peoples' lives.
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Gil sellers just have no life. methamphetamine dealers ruin, and end other peoples' lives.
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dont speak of things youve never done :wink:
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Lol just joking.
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Lol just joking.
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