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Old 12-12-2007, 12:32 PM   #1
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omg Seriously people, What is with the "I Must have PornofWarcraft"? You got the internet which is FULL of it. if your a real WoW pro you wouldn't Care about your characters looks.

Mods to change your sex,Race, and nude? Why? Answer that question... why? why can't you be satisfied with what you started out with?

and not to rant or anything but Warlocks are so overpowered..and blizzard loves them so much why not just give them healing and have every talent skill maxed? don't worry.. you'll get your nerf bat someday.. and it will hurt.. :P
Actually warlocks have nerfed every patch since TBC release with no buffs other than lolinstantcastsoulwell.

As for the first part, who cares play the way you want to, unless you plan on paying my $15 a month.

And lol @ still bitching about fear when its been nerfed to hell & back.
says the warlock, I hear plenty of bitching from Warlocks that Bubble is overpowered which it isn't anymore.

and Bubblehearthing is for idiots who go into PVP and can't take the beating. I only used it for messing around or if I was being ganked over and over and because I was on a PVP server.

I'm only mad at Fear because it doesn't break like it should.

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...xar&n=Ryosuken Yes weird name for a Paladin... but I didnt have any other names to come up with.. bastards took ryuuri

Read this topic http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...sid=1&pageNo=2

You'll see why Paladin's have it hard

Everything is a GCD, Every one of our buffs is dispellable, Purge for one, Spell Steal, Mass Dispell which should be renamed "Pally DIspell" no relyable interupts, I can go on.

How true this statement is:
Priest: 'I rolled a healing class to do DPS, and it worked for me!'
Druid: 'Me too!'
Shaman: 'Hey, so did I!'
Paladin: '...'

and before you Warlocks say anything else about Fear not being Nerfed read this

ever tried shutting down a resto druid? you can stun, repentance, arcane torrent all you want, they dont need a bubble...

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Ever had a lock do AoE fear (howl), then Coil, and charge fear while all this is happening just to fear you when you get out of coil? The entire time you have like 6 DoTs on you.
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Old 12-12-2007, 02:21 PM   #2
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I've played lock to 70 I know the the fear's work and don't work.

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I've played pally, hell I've played everything but Priest so far (since I only play BE classes)

Since you don't seem to understand warlocks to well I'll explain it into a better detail. then "zomg they chain fear OP holy shit"

Note, Death coil is 30y max range, it lasts 3 seconds, you run a random direction. It can only be used every 2min

Fear, it is 20y max, it lasts 10 sec -> 5 sec -> 2-3sec -> immune for 5 sec (death coil I think ignores this, but can add to the fear immunity buildup) you cna spam this as much as you want.

Howl of terror, 10y range 40sec cooldown, and its 1.5sec cast time without being pretty deep in affliction tree.

Warlocks (if they anr't soorta deep into the affliction tree) have at most 3 dots, 1 of which sucks horribly unless your destro spec. Curse of Agony, Corruption, immoliate(destro spec one). Affliction tree gets siphon life (1000 spell damage makes this do about 280 damage) and unstable affliction.

I dunno about you but shadow bolts seem to have a 90% chance to break fear, especially if it crits, dots on other hand seem like 10-25%.

Now considering you can A. Trinket out of the first fear reducing the next one to 5 seconds B. Bubble out of fear and be immune to it for 10 seconds and kill the warlock as a ret spec C. run around like a headless chicken and die slowly to dots it all comes down to 1 main thing...

Your pvp skill vs their pvp skill and YOUR reaction time vs THEIR reaction time.

If your slow at pushing the buttons, using the skills, playing at 300ms, 500ms whatever... yeah your going to get owned.

I mean as a affliction warlock, any of them can tell you.. they hate rogues, 5 second clos and a warlocks 12KHP is pretty much good as 0.

But, if the warlock has.. death coil/howl of terror (instant) ready.. they could fear the lock that instant and that rogue has poential to be raped but...

if they are fast, trinket -> clos -> vanish, that locks pretty dam screwed.

As for shamans, windfury shsmans hurt like hell... tremor totem drop on death coil... as they run up earth shock fear, tremor totem howl of terror.. bam dead.

Now if your jsut vastly out geared well... your screwed no matter what, unless they jsut fail :p
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Old 12-12-2007, 03:25 PM   #3
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ever thought about bubbling and cleansing your dots?

no, of course not. that would make sense.

you're a scrub paladin with scrub pvp gear; of course you get rolled by everyone. you're awful.

now if you want to complain about frost mages and resto druids in pvp, i'm right there with you. but this "warlocks are op!" mentality needs to go, because i know a bunch of classes that roflstomp warlocks np.

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Everything is a GCD, Every one of our buffs is dispellable, Purge for one, Spell Steal, Mass Dispell which should be renamed "Pally DIspell" no relyable interupts, I can go on.
every class has GCDs on every healing spell, every buff can be dispelled (my priest partner in arena dispelled every single buff known in wow, including ice block/bubble/bop), and the only thing you should be worried about is mass dispel.

as far as interrupts, you have hoj, and you're not a melee class outside of that, so quit your bitching. the only class that has more than one interrupt is a rogue because we have multiple stuns in addition to kick.

you really just suck at pvp with one of the easiest classes to play in pvp.

btw, if you ever see this rogue in AV, AB, or WSG, i'd run cuz that's me

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...r=Draka&n=Korz
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Old 12-12-2007, 03:41 PM   #4
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you don't know the pain until you experiance it.
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Warlock is the only class I have ever played. Seriously it is.

QQ moar imo & l2fuckingtrinket.

And I have played every class in the game except warrior. Oh & locks do actually fight each other.
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Old 12-12-2007, 04:16 PM   #5
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I do Trinket and Erasmus, Your prob a shit rogue and awful at what you do, but we'll never no because on diffrent servers. I did not Flame any of you just "Fear" You come in here saying I suck and shit when you've never even seen me in Battle.

Bubble and Trinkets Work but when you're in a BG and have 10 people on you including 6 or so Dots or Bleeds and Fear or w.e does not break.. Thats when it pisses me off..

What level did you get to on Paladin?

and That gear is only my Healing gear which I havent had much to Work on sense IM spending my Honor on Ret Gear.

and maybe I did overreact on Fear.. mainly because of AV and being kited with fear while other players slap me around in the middle of fear and it still doesn't break the fear.

and I've never seen Warlocks duel lol... its either Warlock Vs Priest or Warlock Vs Mage ... out of any class combination Duals .. Paladin Vs Paladin is the longest.



oh btw Erasmus? Saying someones a scrub class because they have scrub armor? Your just as bad ass people who have dumb ass names like "Ipwnsuhard"

laughing at someones gear because its scruby? or Not as good as yours is pathetic... if you ask me.. your the scrub.

and by GCD i mean EVERY FUCKING THING a Paladin has is on the same GCD... Meaning I fucking swich a AUra and I have to wait a sec to do anything else, Unlike warlocks where they can cast .. what? 3 Dots at once? or am I mistaken?
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Old 12-12-2007, 05:50 PM   #6
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Bubble and Trinkets Work but when you're in a BG and have 10 people on you including 6 or so Dots or Bleeds and Fear or w.e does not break.. Thats when it pisses me off..
If ya got 10 people on you 2 possible things are going to happen.
1. You die in next 2-3 seconds because you'll be taking like 3-5K damage per second
2. You bubble and run around and poke people before you die in 2-3 seconds after bubble wears off


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and maybe I did overreact on Fear.. mainly because of AV and being kited with fear while other players slap me around in the middle of fear and it still doesn't break the fear.
Fear has like 15-25% chance to break, you got 2 forms of bubble, use it :p

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and I've never seen Warlocks duel lol... its either Warlock Vs Priest or Warlock Vs Mage ... out of any class combination Duals .. Paladin Vs Paladin is the longest.
Tons of warlock vs warlock fights, its almsot like we look for each other to see who can be on top, which is usualy either full destro spec and at times affliction spec, although nether protection makes them immune to fear + dot damage so its like 50/50 chance.

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and by GCD i mean EVERY FUCKING THING a Paladin has is on the same GCD... Meaning I fucking swich a AUra and I have to wait a sec to do anything else, Unlike warlocks where they can cast .. what? 3 Dots at once? or am I mistaken?
Every job, every class, has 1.5sec GCD, dots included. An affliction lock has "instant" casts but considering something like unstable affliction which is 1.5sec cast... soon as thats done casting they can toss on an instant dot, but the 3rd dot will be 1.5sec later.

Warlocks without any affliction talents have.. 1.5sec corruption, no sihpon life, no unstable affliction only thing "instant" they would have is curse of agony.
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Old 12-12-2007, 08:18 PM   #7
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You can't use BoP in Fear I don't think.. it doesnt stop spell damage. and I can't use the Insig for some fucking reason.. it always seems to be in Cooldown.. its prob what I hate the most.
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I do Trinket and Erasmus, Your prob a shit rogue and awful at what you do, but we'll never no because on diffrent servers. I did not Flame any of you just "Fear" You come in here saying I suck and shit when you've never even seen me in Battle.

Bubble and Trinkets Work but when you're in a BG and have 10 people on you including 6 or so Dots or Bleeds and Fear or w.e does not break.. Thats when it pisses me off..

What level did you get to on Paladin?

and That gear is only my Healing gear which I havent had much to Work on sense IM spending my Honor on Ret Gear.

and maybe I did overreact on Fear.. mainly because of AV and being kited with fear while other players slap me around in the middle of fear and it still doesn't break the fear.

and I've never seen Warlocks duel lol... its either Warlock Vs Priest or Warlock Vs Mage ... out of any class combination Duals .. Paladin Vs Paladin is the longest.



oh btw Erasmus? Saying someones a scrub class because they have scrub armor? Your just as bad ass people who have dumb ass names like "Ipwnsuhard"

laughing at someones gear because its scruby? or Not as good as yours is pathetic... if you ask me.. your the scrub.

and by GCD i mean EVERY FUCKING THING a Paladin has is on the same GCD... Meaning I fucking swich a AUra and I have to wait a sec to do anything else, Unlike warlocks where they can cast .. what? 3 Dots at once? or am I mistaken?
1.) My pally is currently 67

2.) Who cares how good I am at being a rogue? I'm not the one bitching up & down about other classes.

3.) STFU
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There is 1 thing I hate about rogues and its those that sprint and look like there intentionally trying to get 500-800 poing so there like.. teleporting all around you while you take damage.

I probably play rogue "decently" I always use crippling+mind numbing (I tend to useup all my energy trying to zerg someone down, making their 1.5sec casts like 3sec really helps) that and possible lag they or I have to kicking spells, or movment of some kind.

Its really not all that har dto kill a healer on rogue, or warlocks especially. Hell I can almsot take down S3 wearing warlocks with my kara geared rogue. OP? maybe he sure can rape the crap outa me though soon as clos is off and I don't have vanish or some way to stun him if I don't kick his fear/howl terror or cought his death coil with clos.

Luck... chance.. skill .. gear whatever ya wanna call it, if ya got the skill... if ya got the chance and you got the gear to do it any class vs any class can be easy to kill, just may be something like "survive 5 seconds as a affliction lock vs a rogue and you win ... maybe" :P

Although 95% the time if the rogue can keep stun on you as affliction/destro lock ya pretty much dead without 400 resillance and 12~14K hp ;/

Or warrior raped... hell did arena vs one -. intercept stun -> mortal strike -> heroic strike -> something -> dead in about 3 seconds
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ryuuri, calling me a scrub when i've been on a 1900 rated 2v2 and 3v3 is just plain dumb.

you can't get to 1900+ playing every game if you're bad at your class.

you on the other hand have welfare epics at best, and bitch and whine about fear which honestly isn't really a game breaking ability.

It's about the same as sheep, really.

if you want to talk overpowered let's talk about frost mages critting me for 2k in 330 resilience or druids tossing 3 hots and running and being able to keep their partner up when i'm going full dps on them.

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EVERY CLASS' GCD IS LINKED. RTFM. how do you think i feel using hemo and having the person i'm on start a 1.5s cast and me not being able to kick that cast? that can lose an arena match at 1900.

edit: and we can meet in bgs/arena. you're in my battlegroup you moron.
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Old 12-13-2007, 07:07 AM   #11
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ryuuri, calling me a scrub when i've been on a 1900 rated 2v2 and 3v3 is just plain dumb.

you can't get to 1900+ playing every game if you're bad at your class.

you on the other hand have welfare epics at best, and bitch and whine about fear which honestly isn't really a game breaking ability.

It's about the same as sheep, really.

if you want to talk overpowered let's talk about frost mages critting me for 2k in 330 resilience or druids tossing 3 hots and running and being able to keep their partner up when i'm going full dps on them.

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EVERY CLASS' GCD IS LINKED. RTFM. how do you think i feel using hemo and having the person i'm on start a 1.5s cast and me not being able to kick that cast? that can lose an arena match at 1900.

edit: and we can meet in bgs/arena. you're in my battlegroup you moron.
Dude, If you PVPed with me You'd shut the hell up when you see how long I can keep you alive.

Claud What the hell is your Problem, please don't become something like erasmus, he calls me a shit player because of my gear Which only the Child players of Warcraft

I only.. QQed? about the shit because I was in a bad mood because of some BGs. Now that its over with and my Insig is working somehow I actually see past Fear and look at the Real OP, like Eras said..They need to fix Res

and I've played a Rogue my self to 60, Tried playing him in BC.. got bored. But I was a fairly decent PVPer as a Rogue. no lies
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Old 12-13-2007, 07:19 AM   #12
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Eh well you both should probably relax about "the game" since it is jsut that lets not try to get to personal where it gets into some long flame thread though :p
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Eh well you both should probably relax about "the game" since it is jsut that lets not try to get to personal where it gets into some long flame thread though :p
agree'd I'm sure your a skilled Warlock and Erasm is a skilled rogue, if we were to do a 3vs3 I'm pretty sure we'd be a damn good Team, Last Night I kept a lvl67 Warrior, 70Spriest,70Mage and me alive in DUrnhold without a 5th member, No wipes no Deaths, never ran out of Mana while thrall was his dumb ass Leeroy self.

Just from doing Mech the same way I've gotten 3 Guild invites and complaments of being "A bad ass Healer"
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