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Old 04-21-2008, 01:36 AM   #1
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Default Campaign Battle parties....where'd they go?

Excuse if this is the wrong place to post this, but since I see other, er, non-picture related stuff on the topics list, this seemed like the place...

I'm on Pandy server, and am seriously wondering about peoples' Campaign habits as of late. A couple months ago, it seemed like folks were getting into the idea of just grabbing friends and interested people hanging around in the same Campaign-ing zones for the purposes of more efficiently taking stuff down, cutting loose, showing off and having fun without the pesky worry of EXP loss and such. Especially around the time of the March update, when, well, for a time there, things got a lot harder in Campaign-land.
Heck, I could /WHM, put up the ol' red flag with "invite me, if you want", and I'd be snapped up in under half an hour. If people weren't shouting, already looking for recruits.

In the last couple of weeks or so, tho...is it just me? It seems like those parties aren't that common anymore, and folks are becoming real lone wolves. (And don't even get me started on the healing jobs solo-meleeing.) I don't see the shouts anymore... Heck, I've even tried shouting myself a couple of times here and there to see if people would be interested in partying, and I haven't gotten a nibble ever since I've started trying.


....I get if people want to solo Campaigns if they're waiting to be snapped up into EXP parties, that's one thing. But it just feels like the whole paradigm has shifted, if you know what I mean.


Campaign's the closest thing to a playground or a sandbox that this game has, I'm thinking. It's where I go to just have fun (and make good chunks of EXP in the process), and not have to deal with the strict-serious EXP party type atmosphere. Or to just plain experiment with new stuff. Or when i just don't have the time to sit down and hunker in for several hours straight to do something, and want to just get into some action.

But....it's kind of not the same if you're doing it alone. Is the whole "loner in Campaign" thing the prevailing mentality now, or have I just happened into a crazy, Campaign-party-less kind of lull?
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Old 04-21-2008, 02:59 AM   #2
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I was never one for partying in campaign. I've always preferred solo just to push my limits and see what I can do. So far it's been fun and I've gotten the most enjoyment out of soloing in campaign. Partying is decent enough, but people tend to expect too much out of my wyvern. Sure, he can heal for 511 if I take the time to EXP outside campaign while in that zone. He doesn't curaga and cure doesn't let me prioritize who he cures first.

My pet peeve of campaign are the people that pull a mob off to solo it far away from the tower. If I solo, it's just barely away from the tower and primarily to avoid lag and aggro. The other day I was out in East Ronfaure (S) on BST and noticed the battle hadn't ended and no more forces were incomingg after we killed two waves. I check widescan and sure enough, about half way between the tower and the jugner zone there's a lone Dismemberment Grappler out there. I run to it and see a SAM/DNC soloing it (quite slowly). Sure enough, 5 minutes later when it finally dies, the battle ends.

The only other thing that really bothers me are the folks who don't consider that you're possibly there to win and not just rack up EXP and pull their train of mobs on top of you to die, hoping for a raise. Generally if I'm soloing one mob, I'm soloing 2-3 at once. That's hard enough, I don't need your mob(s) as well.

My only suggestion to solve your problem would be to ask friends/LS members to join you. It's still common in my LS for members to invite each other if they're in the same zone campaigning by random chance. After that they tend to stick together till they're done campaigning for the day. Maybe it'll work for you, too.
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Old 04-21-2008, 05:27 AM   #3
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Honestly the reason I see why people have stopped is because most of us who honestly care are currently sitting at rank 4 emblem with no ability to rank up. Plus campaign was made harder so it isn't as much "free exp" as it used to be. Only reasons I can really think of.

None of my buddies are doing it, however some are concidering changing to another nation just for the hell of it and to give them something to aim towards.
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Old 04-21-2008, 07:56 AM   #4
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Personally, I don't look to join campaign parties, I don't mind soloing it my self. Only time I party for campaign is if my friends want to do campaign, then we will all get together and party.

There really isn't much point to partying though when stuff like Ward Bloodpacts hit everyone in the area.
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Old 04-21-2008, 12:36 PM   #5
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Honestly the reason I see why people have stopped is because most of us who honestly care are currently sitting at rank 4 emblem with no ability to rank up. Plus campaign was made harder so it isn't as much "free exp" as it used to be. Only reasons I can really think of.

None of my buddies are doing it, however some are concidering changing to another nation just for the hell of it and to give them something to aim towards.
They not really that much harder, granted they did take away from the super easy offensive ones, but I think it's for the best.

I'm pretty sure changing nations won't do much, as your rank will be retained (pretty sure on this), the only thing is if you go to switch back to a nation you have been before they demote you some and take some notes.

But to the question at hand.. maybe it was just your server, but I don't really recall people going all out to form parties. If there was, it was people thinking that being in a party allowed them to leech benefits or something, which I believe is false. But there was always those few people shouting, asking for a party :lol:
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Old 04-21-2008, 04:19 PM   #6
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I stopped doing campaign after the last update. Shit takes to long to start now, cant solo mobs anymore, every other fuckin fight is stupid ass Demons or Fomors, its not even worth doing anymore >.>
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Old 04-21-2008, 06:48 PM   #7
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Pretty much everyone feels that way now. They've either gotten all the medals they can and don't care anymore, or it's just too difficult to get into. More and more territories are falling into Beastmen hands and no one really cares. Plus, the Evaluation system is poorly designed for the casual player. I've lost the chance to rank up a few times just because I've forgotten to go back after five days to check it.

To be honest, SE really dropped the ball on this expansion. Other than the new jobs and the Gobbiebag upgrades, there's not much going for it. If they were smart they'd let you at least get skill ups or have something more useful to aim for with AN. Right now, though, there's very little reason to do Campaign anymore.
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Old 04-21-2008, 06:50 PM   #8
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Unless you count campaign ops (Which no one does.) then Vorn hit the nail on the head.

Campaign is fun in groups, sucks solo for me.
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Old 04-21-2008, 09:30 PM   #9
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I don't see why people don't do Campaign Ops. They are easy and only take like 10 minutes or less (some only take like 2 minutes or less), and some of them you don't even have to leave town! It's only a little exp, sure, but it's exp for any job level 10 or higher, without doing practically anything. And that little bit of exp adds up. I do Crimson Domino III 7 times a week, which takes an average of about 5 minutes and has no danger of aggro when done in West Saruta [S] (regardless of level), and it gives me 2450 exp and 7000 AN. That's like 2 Miratete pages a week, except they work level 10 and up instead of level 20 and up, and are easier to get! And then add those to the 2 Miratete pages I get every week (Secrets of Ovens Lost and Bastok escort), and I'm getting a lot of easy exp for jobs I don't feel like actually leveling, but would like to have leveled (as a subjob or whatever). But I digress...

Yeah, I used to be able to get Campaign invites by just putting my red flag up and doing Campaigns until I got an invite, like you said. Now no one invites you. Hell, sometimes I'll even get an exp PT invite, even if I have a search comment saying "{Campaign battle}{party} {Yes, please.} {Experience points}{party} {No thanks.}". It kinda sucks, cuz you can get some extra exp casting spells or using JAs or whatever on PT members, and it's nice to have someone besides your LS to talk to while you Campaign. Lately it seems like the only way to get a Campaign PT is to group up with LS members. :/ Makes me wish I had a character I could dual box, like my friend (who does battles on his SMN or SCH and has a 2nd character he got from someone who quit, who he drags along on RDM for Refresh and such XD).

Really, I've loved the expansion so far. My only beef is the missions. Don't get me wrong, I love quests; they up my quest count, after all! (462 and counting!) But I want some actual missions! You know, the kind that go in your mission log? It's kinda nice that they at least give them decent rewards most of the time, I guess; makes it easier to get people who don't care about story to help you with them if need be. >.>
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Old 04-21-2008, 09:39 PM   #10
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Missions, yes I want them.

Retarded CS that count as missions? HELL NO!
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Old 04-21-2008, 09:42 PM   #11
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Missions, yes I want them.

Retarded CS that count as missions? HELL NO!
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Old 04-22-2008, 12:44 PM   #12
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Pretty much everyone feels that way now. They've either gotten all the medals they can and don't care anymore, or it's just too difficult to get into. More and more territories are falling into Beastmen hands and no one really cares.
I wouldn't go to that extent, must be server basis.. when an area like Vunker has 80+ at one time, (when normally lucky to have 20 (before update)) can't really say nobodies cares.

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Plus, the Evaluation system is poorly designed for the casual player. I've lost the chance to rank up a few times just because I've forgotten to go back after five days to check it.
You have a min of 5 days from your last evalution to a max of 30 days. So I don't see the problem with it.

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To be honest, SE really dropped the ball on this expansion. Other than the new jobs and the Gobbiebag upgrades, there's not much going for it. If they were smart they'd let you at least get skill ups or have something more useful to aim for with AN. Right now, though, there's very little reason to do Campaign anymore.
Who knows what they'll add.. there are still two more ranks of medals that still need to be unlocked. As little reason to do CBs... boils down to personal preference, but I will always be there.. I've got 340k notes, have spent 100k on the earlier gear to exploit the people that bought them, rather then get the few notes to buy themselves.

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I stopped doing campaign after the last update. Shit takes to long to start now, cant solo mobs anymore, every other fuckin fight is stupid ass Demons or Fomors, its not even worth doing anymore >.>
Stop camping a battlefield. :P

Far better to just hop from battle to battle, gives you a nice steady flow of exp, and don't forget to grab an assessment if there is a break in mobs during a battle. Or if you even do it during a battle, if you had tags for some time. Grab an assessment.

On a side note; I took NIN from 71 to capped 75, capped BRD exp and majority of the time I CB(merit) as WHM/SMN. I can hold my own on most of the CB mobs, with the exception of the NMs lol
I still find CBs fun and a good use of my time. I can't seem to get into merit partying, rather just go at my own pace and have fun, rather then bust my ass as BRD so people can just stand there and rake in the exp.
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Old 04-22-2008, 10:08 PM   #13
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Yah, i still go to Campaign Battles with my social LS members now and then as a party. Good times, because we already know how to work together.

We do Campaign Ops, too, sometimes. Those can be fun, but they need to keep up coming out with more varieties. As of now, they're more like mini-assaults at best, but with less risk (usually) and less reward.

Personally, I took one of my Lv65 jobs to 70 on Campaign battles lately...partly because I wanted a ton of notes to buy some of the new armors (the EX ones), and partly because to me, 1500-2500 EXP per Campaign battle was something I'd rather do than random pickup parties at the Mire, which seemed to be the ONLY place people have been partying on my server at that level range the last month.
Sure, it took a while longer to level up, but mostly had fun doing it, and got my notes.


Actually, I still see people who insist on sitting on the same zone waiting for the next battle there to pop, grumbling that it's taking too long now. I can't imagine why they never got the news about the new way they staggered out where the fights would happen.


I do have to add, tho, to my previous post, a new pet peeve: People who still insist on going solo in Campaign battles...then screaming in /say "I'm out of HP, heal me!" Sorry, but if I can't readily see your HP all the time, and you're one in a crowd of half a dozen or more melees, then it's not like you're my prime healing/support target...
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Old 04-22-2008, 10:52 PM   #14
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One thing that pisses me off about campaign? RAISES. I sat dead for at least 15 minutes RIGHT in front of the campaign tower in Jugner, and campaign had ended 5 minutes through my death. WHMs sat down right next to me and /healed, and a RDM refreshed itself right next to my dead corpse. Did I get a raise? Newp!

Aside from that and people training NMs into weakened people, campaign is damn fun.

Kyrial, what mission/country do you do those ops for?
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One thing that pisses me off about campaign? RAISES. I sat dead for at least 15 minutes RIGHT in front of the campaign tower in Jugner, and campaign had ended 5 minutes through my death. WHMs sat down right next to me and /healed, and a RDM refreshed itself right next to my dead corpse. Did I get a raise? Newp!
I /WHM specifically for Raising.

Since I started really doing these at around Lv60, I accepted that I wasn't going to be the biggest dealer of damage, or the guy who rides in and saves someone else from a mob, and decided I'd triage first, and damage second. And I only did Campaign Battles as a supplement to normal EXP-ing because of this.

Headed upwards of 70, I still /WHM, I still Raise whenever I can (especially if it gets a healing chain going), and cure the guy tanking a mob while I melee/debuff/etc. some.

Why? Because more people up and running makes things go smoother. Especially when you see that second wave of Shadowhorn Stormers making an unannounced enterance in the horizon...


The problem with people is that Raise = 150 MP and not that much EXP bonus, therefore you see WHMs subbing Ninja and running around bopping things with Darksteel Mauls, while people die and rot. And they don't seem to get the basic concept "hey, when the real players go down, you're going to have this thing's full attention, and you WILL be r-a-p-e-d-spells-RAPED by that thing. But I guess as long as they have, say, Reraise up, they don't care...
The WHMs, SCHs and RDMs I know at least get people back up when their hands aren't full already. Same for a couple of SMN/WHMs I know, tho a few are there to mass-buff and avatar-battle, and don't bother raising unless everyone but them's already down...
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Some of the mages on Quetz don't seem to get that "Hey, if all the melee are dead, FUCK, WE'RE GOING TO GET DESTROYED. LESS EXP FOR US, TOO."

(Not to mention it's just common courtesy. If I was on a job that had raise I'd raise every dead person I saw.)
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One thing that pisses me off about campaign? RAISES. I sat dead for at least 15 minutes RIGHT in front of the campaign tower in Jugner, and campaign had ended 5 minutes through my death. WHMs sat down right next to me and /healed, and a RDM refreshed itself right next to my dead corpse. Did I get a raise? Newp!
I /WHM specifically for Raising.

Since I started really doing these at around Lv60, I accepted that I wasn't going to be the biggest dealer of damage, or the guy who rides in and saves someone else from a mob, and decided I'd triage first, and damage second. And I only did Campaign Battles as a supplement to normal EXP-ing because of this.

Headed upwards of 70, I still /WHM, I still Raise whenever I can (especially if it gets a healing chain going), and cure the guy tanking a mob while I melee/debuff/etc. some.

Why? Because more people up and running makes things go smoother. Especially when you see that second wave of Shadowhorn Stormers making an unannounced enterance in the horizon...


The problem with people is that Raise = 150 MP and not that much EXP bonus, therefore you see WHMs subbing Ninja and running around bopping things with Darksteel Mauls, while people die and rot. And they don't seem to get the basic concept "hey, when the real players go down, you're going to have this thing's full attention, and you WILL be r-a-p-e-d-spells-RAPED by that thing. But I guess as long as they have, say, Reraise up, they don't care...
The WHMs, SCHs and RDMs I know at least get people back up when their hands aren't full already. Same for a couple of SMN/WHMs I know, tho a few are there to mass-buff and avatar-battle, and don't bother raising unless everyone but them's already down...
LOL that's me! But i use brass jadagna...much better dmg =P As WHM i'm there for DD, outdmg tarus, have fun and etc...not to raise ppl...

You shouldnt expect ppl to raise you there...wanna know why? Because if you're up you may kill "my" mob...i usually only raise ppl if there's no NPC army and it's a nasty NM, like Softstep or Vee Qiga around...

If you see Striking Bull, Invincible Shield, Arehaut, Sonia, that hot elvaan, captain of ronfaure standard army (<3 her! She beats the shit of anyone who cross her way ^^), NEVER expect raise...because those are some overpower NPCs, most of them with armies..so those who spend time raising the others get crappy XP...SE sholdve made raise in campaign being like besieged one, where you get major XP bonus from it, what makes raising ppl a good deal...but in campaign a raise gives less XP than a cure II...and takes way more time than a cure II to be casted...VERY bad deal.

I'd suggest ppl to do as i do...no matter what job i go to campaign, if it's 66 or higher i put /whm for RR...

IMO, if you want raise ASAP and don't use/have/like /WHM then go die near a sprite =P
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Join/make Campaign parties all the time~

Sucked today when one of the guys in group forgot tags, and decided to attack Shadowhand. Deleveled to 74. :lol:

BTW, Retribution hurts when stoneskin wears off a moment before its shot at you. :shock:
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BTW, Retribution hurts when stoneskin wears off a moment before its shot at you. :shock:
It hurts period. :lol:
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IMO, if you want raise ASAP and don't use/have/like /WHM then go die near a sprite =P
Sprites aren't in every campaign zone. They're in only like, two at most.

Oh, and you forget something, Zang. Raise has its own cap, it doesn't count as healing magic. Every action has a cap to how much you gain from it. Curing has its own, and raise has its own. Cure bombing for 0 exp (eventually) > 20 exp for raise?
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